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		<title>Comment on When Church Members Are Consumers by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, Consumerism is rampant in the Church of America. We expect all of our needs to be met. Music must meet my approval, preaching better make me comfortable, youth program better entertain my kids, and what! No coffee? Jesus told us &quot;If anyone would come after me, let him first deny himself and pick up his cross and follow me. How quickly we forget that it is not about us. One Friday afternoon for six hours on a hill just outside Jerusalem, it was, all about us! Now it&#039;s about Him. You are absolutely right about the church taking on the trappings of it&#039;s culture. Today we call those who serve without pay volunteers, back then Jesus called them, &quot;My disciples&quot;. Brother Paul you have only scratched the surface on an issue that dogs most of our churches in America today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Consumerism is rampant in the Church of America. We expect all of our needs to be met. Music must meet my approval, preaching better make me comfortable, youth program better entertain my kids, and what! No coffee? Jesus told us &#8220;If anyone would come after me, let him first deny himself and pick up his cross and follow me. How quickly we forget that it is not about us. One Friday afternoon for six hours on a hill just outside Jerusalem, it was, all about us! Now it&#8217;s about Him. You are absolutely right about the church taking on the trappings of it&#8217;s culture. Today we call those who serve without pay volunteers, back then Jesus called them, &#8220;My disciples&#8221;. Brother Paul you have only scratched the surface on an issue that dogs most of our churches in America today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Church Members Are Consumers by Becky Ahlberg</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/05/when-church-members-are-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-27361</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky Ahlberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 18:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the speakers at a recent Christian Leadership Alliance Conference I attended made this analogy:
The American Church has turned into a cruise ship.  It will cost your wallet, but once you&#039;re in, it&#039;s all about you.  What you need, what you want, what will make you happy.  The church is called to a different ship.  It&#039;s called discipleship.  It will still cost you your wallet, but once on board, they hand you a mop!  Hmmmm...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the speakers at a recent Christian Leadership Alliance Conference I attended made this analogy:<br />
The American Church has turned into a cruise ship.  It will cost your wallet, but once you&#8217;re in, it&#8217;s all about you.  What you need, what you want, what will make you happy.  The church is called to a different ship.  It&#8217;s called discipleship.  It will still cost you your wallet, but once on board, they hand you a mop!  Hmmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Women Preaching by Jon Toler</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/04/women-preaching/comment-page-2/#comment-27299</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Toler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 23:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I am late to the discussion, but I echo one of the comments above that I am embarrassed at lack of interpretive skills in some of the above comments. I am also ashamed of the sexism and derogatory comments about women.

The first time I heard a women preach, I almost left the sanctuary. I studied the relevant passages a few times and heard a woman preach again a few years later. I didn&#039;t want to leave this time, but I said to myself, &quot;Boy, she&#039;s a bad speaker.&quot; I read some more, took some classes at a Restoration Movement school and heard females preach in my preaching class. My first thought was, &quot;She&#039;s a better preacher than I am.&quot; Then I got a seminary degree from an RM school and don&#039;t even blink when I hear a woman preach. 

It is hard for me to articulate an argument in favor of women preaching without making analogies to racism throughout the last 200 years or so, without foregrounding Galatians 3:28, without using Greek words, and without discussing the context of women&#039;s role in the first century.

The argument I would make is this: in the verses surrounding the &quot;women&quot; passages we find contextual commands (braided hair, max of three speakers, head coverings, etc) that we ignore...I mean apply what it means rather than what it says. We need to do the same thing in &quot;confusing&quot; passages that we do for &quot;easy&quot; passages. What works for Acts 2:38 works in 1 Timothy 2 or 1 Corinthians 11 or Titus.

Don&#039;t over think things. God did not intend us to spend hours debating how old a boy becomes a man, how many men in a group makes it a mixed audience, whether prayers in between songs are the same as prayers before communion, whether missionary reports are the same as sermons, whether communion meditations are a teaching time, or whether teaching adult Sunday school is the same as teaching the whole church. God intended us to use the gifts the Holy Spirit gave us to best serve God&#039;s church. In God&#039;s church there is no &quot;male nor female, slave to free, Greek nor Jew...we are all one in the body of Christ.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I am late to the discussion, but I echo one of the comments above that I am embarrassed at lack of interpretive skills in some of the above comments. I am also ashamed of the sexism and derogatory comments about women.</p>
<p>The first time I heard a women preach, I almost left the sanctuary. I studied the relevant passages a few times and heard a woman preach again a few years later. I didn&#8217;t want to leave this time, but I said to myself, &#8220;Boy, she&#8217;s a bad speaker.&#8221; I read some more, took some classes at a Restoration Movement school and heard females preach in my preaching class. My first thought was, &#8220;She&#8217;s a better preacher than I am.&#8221; Then I got a seminary degree from an RM school and don&#8217;t even blink when I hear a woman preach. </p>
<p>It is hard for me to articulate an argument in favor of women preaching without making analogies to racism throughout the last 200 years or so, without foregrounding Galatians 3:28, without using Greek words, and without discussing the context of women&#8217;s role in the first century.</p>
<p>The argument I would make is this: in the verses surrounding the &#8220;women&#8221; passages we find contextual commands (braided hair, max of three speakers, head coverings, etc) that we ignore&#8230;I mean apply what it means rather than what it says. We need to do the same thing in &#8220;confusing&#8221; passages that we do for &#8220;easy&#8221; passages. What works for Acts 2:38 works in 1 Timothy 2 or 1 Corinthians 11 or Titus.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t over think things. God did not intend us to spend hours debating how old a boy becomes a man, how many men in a group makes it a mixed audience, whether prayers in between songs are the same as prayers before communion, whether missionary reports are the same as sermons, whether communion meditations are a teaching time, or whether teaching adult Sunday school is the same as teaching the whole church. God intended us to use the gifts the Holy Spirit gave us to best serve God&#8217;s church. In God&#8217;s church there is no &#8220;male nor female, slave to free, Greek nor Jew&#8230;we are all one in the body of Christ.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Wild and Chaotic Creation by Jeff Hafer</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/05/a-wild-and-chaotic-creation/comment-page-1/#comment-27291</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 19:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can keep silent no longer. This magazine is so off the charts with unscriptural, unsound (i.e. manmade) doctrine that it saddens me that our churches continue to make it available to members of the body of Christ. Perhaps I&#039;m ignorant of Paul Williams shtick, which appears to me to be one of a rabble-rouser with the sole intent of generating responses, but I shudder to think that he is actually serious with his &quot;pearls of wisdom&quot;. Any student of the Word will clearly see this article (as others preceding it) is utterly ridiculous (dare I say stupid). I have no problem reading stuff that is &quot;off the charts&quot; because I have grown up in the church and been a student of the Word for over 53 years and I want to know what &quot;the other side&quot; is saying, so I can be prepared to give a response. What concerns me are the novice Christians that are reading the &quot;popular&quot; authors of the day and having their &quot;dribble&quot; affirmed by a long standing &quot;bulwark&quot; of the faith as Christian Standard to be a rubber stamp for said dribble. &quot;Sad, sad the bitter wail&quot; and the &quot;Standard&quot; will be party to the departure. And so it goes (sadly).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can keep silent no longer. This magazine is so off the charts with unscriptural, unsound (i.e. manmade) doctrine that it saddens me that our churches continue to make it available to members of the body of Christ. Perhaps I&#8217;m ignorant of Paul Williams shtick, which appears to me to be one of a rabble-rouser with the sole intent of generating responses, but I shudder to think that he is actually serious with his &#8220;pearls of wisdom&#8221;. Any student of the Word will clearly see this article (as others preceding it) is utterly ridiculous (dare I say stupid). I have no problem reading stuff that is &#8220;off the charts&#8221; because I have grown up in the church and been a student of the Word for over 53 years and I want to know what &#8220;the other side&#8221; is saying, so I can be prepared to give a response. What concerns me are the novice Christians that are reading the &#8220;popular&#8221; authors of the day and having their &#8220;dribble&#8221; affirmed by a long standing &#8220;bulwark&#8221; of the faith as Christian Standard to be a rubber stamp for said dribble. &#8220;Sad, sad the bitter wail&#8221; and the &#8220;Standard&#8221; will be party to the departure. And so it goes (sadly).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Women Preaching by Mike Hickerson</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/04/women-preaching/comment-page-2/#comment-27288</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hickerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am deeply disappointed by the tone of a majority of the comments on this post! I have the honor of being the Lead Pastor of Mission Church in Ventura, CA...i have the honor of having Jodi Hickerson (my wife) and Jen Oakes on our team. Jodi and Jen make exactly $0 as part of the sacrifice to plant Mission Church...they work selflessly, tirelessly, and are extremely gifted! They are two of best mother&#039;s that i know! They have two of the purest hearts on anyone i know!

Jodi and Jen did not ask to be mentioned in an article, nor do they need a &quot;platform&quot; out of an unhealthy drive.

The decision for them to teach is mine, i am their boss, servant, leader, advocate and friend---any quarrel about if they &quot;should&quot; teach is a quarrel with me asking them to...some of the previous comments jumped to some pretty crazy assumptions about the character/motive of these women!

You can challenge a lot of things...but when you challenge the character of Jodi, Jen, and Rhesa (also a great friend)...you are so far out of line...and out of your league!

-At best this is a non essential...which i think means liberty.
-Cultural context (of that day and today) has to play some role in how we understand this topic
-Historically there is lots of room to land on both sides of this topic...without being evil

i won&#039;t go back and forth with any of you on a message board--in fact i&#039;ve already wasted too much time on this one, but if you want a legitimate conversation (vs telling me how wrong i am) here is my email: mike.hickerson@missionventura.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am deeply disappointed by the tone of a majority of the comments on this post! I have the honor of being the Lead Pastor of Mission Church in Ventura, CA&#8230;i have the honor of having Jodi Hickerson (my wife) and Jen Oakes on our team. Jodi and Jen make exactly $0 as part of the sacrifice to plant Mission Church&#8230;they work selflessly, tirelessly, and are extremely gifted! They are two of best mother&#8217;s that i know! They have two of the purest hearts on anyone i know!</p>
<p>Jodi and Jen did not ask to be mentioned in an article, nor do they need a &#8220;platform&#8221; out of an unhealthy drive.</p>
<p>The decision for them to teach is mine, i am their boss, servant, leader, advocate and friend&#8212;any quarrel about if they &#8220;should&#8221; teach is a quarrel with me asking them to&#8230;some of the previous comments jumped to some pretty crazy assumptions about the character/motive of these women!</p>
<p>You can challenge a lot of things&#8230;but when you challenge the character of Jodi, Jen, and Rhesa (also a great friend)&#8230;you are so far out of line&#8230;and out of your league!</p>
<p>-At best this is a non essential&#8230;which i think means liberty.<br />
-Cultural context (of that day and today) has to play some role in how we understand this topic<br />
-Historically there is lots of room to land on both sides of this topic&#8230;without being evil</p>
<p>i won&#8217;t go back and forth with any of you on a message board&#8211;in fact i&#8217;ve already wasted too much time on this one, but if you want a legitimate conversation (vs telling me how wrong i am) here is my email: <a href="mailto:mike.hickerson@missionventura.com">mike.hickerson@missionventura.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Women Preaching by Mary Ellen Pereira</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/04/women-preaching/comment-page-2/#comment-27229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Ellen Pereira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erin, 

You brought to mind some comments that were published in the Christian Standard back on Jan 2, 1892 as a yearly report &quot;From the Field&quot; by Mrs. Clara C. Babcock:

&quot;Rock Falls [IL], Nov 1 -- Have closed my year&#039;s labor, and have received a call to the fourth years&#039; work for Erie and third for Thomson, and have entered upon the new year hopefully.  Although I have not reported work done since my last annual report, I have not been idle.  My eye has caught from time to time contributions from the fertile brains of my strong brethren, with some editorial hints against woman&#039;s work in the ministry, as well as some words of encouragement.  Regardless of all this I have patiently and steadily worked on, and can say with the apostle, none of these things move me. . . . The visible results of my year&#039;s work are 96 additions . . . preached 240 sermons, 16 funerals . . . , 12 weddings, 470 visits made, 1,500 miles traveled to and from my labor.  Am now in perfect health.  Have not missed an appointment in over four years.  I feel strong in the Lord and in the power of his might, and in his strength shall continue the heart-to-heart conflict with the enemy of souls and for the extension of God&#039;s kingdom.&quot;

Mrs. Babcock continued to preach and baptize in a number of Church of Christ and Christian Church congregations until suffering a debilitating stroke in Savanna, IL, at the age of 74.  Her obituary (published in the Christian Standard on July 25, 1925) reports that she &quot;was taken sick at the Sunday evening services after administering baptism to two candidates, making 1,502 she had buried in baptism.&#039;  

She is only one among many who were/are part of a long (and continuing) heritage of women and men &quot;patiently and steadily&quot; serving together in the work of the gospel in the Churches of Christ and Christian Churches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, </p>
<p>You brought to mind some comments that were published in the Christian Standard back on Jan 2, 1892 as a yearly report &#8220;From the Field&#8221; by Mrs. Clara C. Babcock:</p>
<p>&#8220;Rock Falls [IL], Nov 1 &#8212; Have closed my year&#8217;s labor, and have received a call to the fourth years&#8217; work for Erie and third for Thomson, and have entered upon the new year hopefully.  Although I have not reported work done since my last annual report, I have not been idle.  My eye has caught from time to time contributions from the fertile brains of my strong brethren, with some editorial hints against woman&#8217;s work in the ministry, as well as some words of encouragement.  Regardless of all this I have patiently and steadily worked on, and can say with the apostle, none of these things move me. . . . The visible results of my year&#8217;s work are 96 additions . . . preached 240 sermons, 16 funerals . . . , 12 weddings, 470 visits made, 1,500 miles traveled to and from my labor.  Am now in perfect health.  Have not missed an appointment in over four years.  I feel strong in the Lord and in the power of his might, and in his strength shall continue the heart-to-heart conflict with the enemy of souls and for the extension of God&#8217;s kingdom.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mrs. Babcock continued to preach and baptize in a number of Church of Christ and Christian Church congregations until suffering a debilitating stroke in Savanna, IL, at the age of 74.  Her obituary (published in the Christian Standard on July 25, 1925) reports that she &#8220;was taken sick at the Sunday evening services after administering baptism to two candidates, making 1,502 she had buried in baptism.&#8217;  </p>
<p>She is only one among many who were/are part of a long (and continuing) heritage of women and men &#8220;patiently and steadily&#8221; serving together in the work of the gospel in the Churches of Christ and Christian Churches.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Church Members Are Consumers by David L Dickey</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/05/when-church-members-are-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-27170</link>
		<dc:creator>David L Dickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 11:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I often wonder how much this has to do with our political allegiances. Most of our churches, especially in the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky area that I am from, are aligned with the pro-business, pro-capitalism, &quot;free market solutions&quot; oriented right in America. Originally, these ties formed over moral/ family values issues, but as it goes, we have wound up being on board for the entire political platform of the right even if some of those positions actually go against a Christian worldview. Thus, over time, rather than us changing the society we are part of, the society has actually changed us... we are part of the consumerist machine. 

So, I think you&#039;ve done a wonderful job identifying this undercurrent in our churches. But the deeper question is, once a problem has been identified, what should we do about it? I think it&#039;s wrong to shrug our shoulders and say &quot;that&#039;s just the way it is, until culture changes&quot;... what happened to the church driving culture instead of culture driving the church?

Just questions to ponder. Thanks for another great post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often wonder how much this has to do with our political allegiances. Most of our churches, especially in the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky area that I am from, are aligned with the pro-business, pro-capitalism, &#8220;free market solutions&#8221; oriented right in America. Originally, these ties formed over moral/ family values issues, but as it goes, we have wound up being on board for the entire political platform of the right even if some of those positions actually go against a Christian worldview. Thus, over time, rather than us changing the society we are part of, the society has actually changed us&#8230; we are part of the consumerist machine. </p>
<p>So, I think you&#8217;ve done a wonderful job identifying this undercurrent in our churches. But the deeper question is, once a problem has been identified, what should we do about it? I think it&#8217;s wrong to shrug our shoulders and say &#8220;that&#8217;s just the way it is, until culture changes&#8221;&#8230; what happened to the church driving culture instead of culture driving the church?</p>
<p>Just questions to ponder. Thanks for another great post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Women Preaching by Erin Layton</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/04/women-preaching/comment-page-2/#comment-27072</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 18:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it interesting and intriguing that the majority of responses to this article are men. My hope is that women in ministry simply do not feel the need to defend their right to use the gifts with which God has blessed them. As a woman who has been in ministry my entire adult life, I appreciate the men who have taken their stand to support us. 

I will say this, women, you are joining a long line of women in ministry. A tradition that is traced back to Scripture, not culture. Continue in your work for the church and for the Gospel with the knowledge that you have the prayers and support of millions behind you. The work you are doing is changing the world for the better and for God. He will continue to bless your ministries as you continue to follow him!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting and intriguing that the majority of responses to this article are men. My hope is that women in ministry simply do not feel the need to defend their right to use the gifts with which God has blessed them. As a woman who has been in ministry my entire adult life, I appreciate the men who have taken their stand to support us. </p>
<p>I will say this, women, you are joining a long line of women in ministry. A tradition that is traced back to Scripture, not culture. Continue in your work for the church and for the Gospel with the knowledge that you have the prayers and support of millions behind you. The work you are doing is changing the world for the better and for God. He will continue to bless your ministries as you continue to follow him!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Changing Church Culture by Mark Doebler</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/04/changing-church-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-27067</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Doebler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 18:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet another excellent resource from Jim Powell.  I&#039;m certain one of the reasons that God has blessed the impact of Jim&#039;s church is because of the generous spirit that Jim possesses in genuinely wanting to see kingdom growth, not just his own church growth.  I can tell you from personal experience that Jim is the real deal and he honestly desires to see all churches grow to their full potential for the sake of God&#039;s glory.  

Well done Jim.  Thanks for the insight!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another excellent resource from Jim Powell.  I&#8217;m certain one of the reasons that God has blessed the impact of Jim&#8217;s church is because of the generous spirit that Jim possesses in genuinely wanting to see kingdom growth, not just his own church growth.  I can tell you from personal experience that Jim is the real deal and he honestly desires to see all churches grow to their full potential for the sake of God&#8217;s glory.  </p>
<p>Well done Jim.  Thanks for the insight!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Women Preaching by Jason Anderson</title>
		<link>http://christianstandard.com/2013/04/women-preaching/comment-page-2/#comment-27033</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 14:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,
You asked about my comments on“When Eve fell for Satan’s line, sin entered into the world,”. First, let me state that my comments are in reference to Paul&#039;s comments in 1 Timothy 2:14 &quot;And Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.&quot; When Eve disobeyed by doubting God&#039;s Word, she became a sinner (hence the statement that sin came into this world, how can one be a sinner if sin was not in the world). Adam is credited with sin at the fall, I am not arguing that. My point was not to put the blame at either Adam or Eve (I used Eve&#039;s name because that is who Paul stated was deceived and that is who the book of Genesis presented as being deceived), but it was to examine that doubting God&#039;s command directly led to the sin.  I am stating that sin came into the world because Eve doubted God&#039;s Word, which is in line with Paul&#039;s statement in 1 Timothy 2, the text that is being debated in the article.
As far as this being a temporary command, what aspect of the chapter states that it is temporary or leads you to believe that it should be viewed as a temporary command? Does Paul state that it was? What is your standard of saying that this aspect of the letter is temporary but the other commands in this same letter are eternal? Or do you believe the entire letter is temporary? What is your standard?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
You asked about my comments on“When Eve fell for Satan’s line, sin entered into the world,”. First, let me state that my comments are in reference to Paul&#8217;s comments in 1 Timothy 2:14 &#8220;And Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.&#8221; When Eve disobeyed by doubting God&#8217;s Word, she became a sinner (hence the statement that sin came into this world, how can one be a sinner if sin was not in the world). Adam is credited with sin at the fall, I am not arguing that. My point was not to put the blame at either Adam or Eve (I used Eve&#8217;s name because that is who Paul stated was deceived and that is who the book of Genesis presented as being deceived), but it was to examine that doubting God&#8217;s command directly led to the sin.  I am stating that sin came into the world because Eve doubted God&#8217;s Word, which is in line with Paul&#8217;s statement in 1 Timothy 2, the text that is being debated in the article.<br />
As far as this being a temporary command, what aspect of the chapter states that it is temporary or leads you to believe that it should be viewed as a temporary command? Does Paul state that it was? What is your standard of saying that this aspect of the letter is temporary but the other commands in this same letter are eternal? Or do you believe the entire letter is temporary? What is your standard?</p>
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